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to retornando de´pois de um bom tempo:

1- fab melo não está treinando com eles, tá certo tá na nba, recem contratado

mas vc é um dirigente do celtics: vc não acha que seria melhor ele treinar (e crescer) para as olimpiadas pegando o dream team do que jogar a summer league?

3- ele sairia do draft e treinaria pelo menos 1 mês....a NBA costuma barrar assim? quanto é o salario de draftado em 1º rodada?

2- fab melo é C (posição 5, tá certo?) quem cairia fora? caio torres? quem vcs tirariam?

3- Marquinhos tá machucado aonde? putz....ele volta pros jogos?

4- o rafael hett...(sei lá mais o que) tá muito ferradão? não dá pra jogar?

5- o que acontenceu com o site basket brasil?

ps- desculpem estar tão desatualizado
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tava pensando... seria Scott Machado melhor que o Raulzinho?

sei que dificilmente ele jogaria as olimipiadas por causa da Summer League.
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tsunami escreveu:tava pensando... seria Scott Machado melhor que o Raulzinho?

sei que dificilmente ele jogaria as olimipiadas por causa da Summer League.
Hoje provavelmente deve ser um pouco melhor sim, não que faça muita diferença, Raulzinho vai assistir a Olimpiadado banco de reservas assim como o Caio.
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Os caras do The Painted Area (dos poucos jornalistas de basquete americanos que rewalmente acompanham FIBA) fizeram um ranking dos 12 times da Olimpiada hoje:
With the completion of the FIBA Olympic Qualifying Tournament on July 8, the field of 12 nations was set for the men's basketball competition at the 2012 London Olympics, which tips off on Sunday, July 29. Last year, we offered an early take at 2012 Olympic basketball power rankings; here is our update with the Games less than two weeks away.


GOLD TIER
1. USA
(Group A: Qualified as FIBA World Champion)
Winning the 2010 world championship was the most impressive Team USA achievement of the Jerry Colangelo/Mike Krzyzewski era, in our opinion. The type of roster which the U.S. brought to Worlds - inexperienced in the international game and in playing with each other - was similar to the American teams which had faced the most adversity in the NBA era, but the 2010 group won gold impressively, powered by the unconscious scoring of Kevin Durant.

More than anything, it was a testament to the quality of the national-team program created by Colangelo and Coach K, which has fostered a strong sense of continuity despite significant roster turnover, through regular summer training camps and the continual integration of new players via the U.S. Select Team.

Now, with overwhelming perimeter talent - headlined by the two best players in the world, LeBron James and Kevin Durant - Team USA is deservedly a heavy favorite to win gold. We'll be surprised if the U.S. loses in London, though last week we outlined how an upset might happen, by exploiting the Americans' lack of defensive depth on the interior beyond Tyson Chandler.

Actually, it's been fascinating to watch how Coach K's addressed his team's lack of traditional bigs in the early warmups, often going with lineups featuring only points and wings - it's been almost like watching basketball from the future, and we're very much looking forward to seeing these units in action in London.

On the popular topic of how the 2012 edition compares to the 1992 Dream Team, our two cents is that we think it would've been a good matchup if the 2012 squad had been closer to full health, but since they've lost the likes of Howard, Wade, Rose, and Bosh, we don't think it's a contest. The decisive factors are in the quality of the bigs - huge advantage to '92 Ewing and Robinson there - and also, 29-year-old Jordan would dominate 33-year-old Kobe, in our opinion.

SILVER TIER
2. SPAIN
(Group B: Qualified as EuroBasket Champion)
After following up its 2008 Olympic silver medal with dominant performances at the 2009 and 2011 EuroBaskets, Spain remains a formidable world basketball power. Most notably for 2012, Team España will have the best collection of bigs in London, with the combination of Pau Gasol, Marc Gasol and Serge Ibaka.

Stateside, the most celebrated injury for Team España has been Ricky Rubio's torn ACL, but we actually think that won't really hurt Spain, mainly because they generally don't take advantage of Ricky's strengths, too often asking him to merely initiate the halfcourt offense and then stand in the corner as a spot-up shooter. Also, the Spaniards should still get solid point-guard play from Jose Calderon, whose steadiness might be better suited for a matchup vs. Team USA.

Rather, we think the serious Spanish injury concerns revolve around Juan Carlos Navarro, who had an up-and-down 2011-12 season while battling plantar fascitis throughout, and Rudy Fernandez, who is recovering from back surgery in March, because Spain can't really adequately replace what those two provide. Navarro is a point machine whose scoring bursts won him the 2011 EuroBasket MVP and nearly put Team USA on the ropes in 2008. Fernandez plays with a more attacking style for Spain than he did in the NBA.

In our opinion, the health of these two players will determine Spain's fate in London. If they're close to their normal selves, Spain should be a lock for the silver, with an outside chance to pull the mega-upset vs. Team USA. If they're not, Team España runs the risk of falling off the medal podium entirely, as they did at the 2010 Worlds.

BRONZE TIER
While the U.S. and Spain are clearly slotted in as heavy favorites for gold and silver, respectively, it gets a bit murkier from there, as the bronze medal position is really up for grabs - not much separates these five teams.

3. BRAZIL
(Group B: Qualified as FIBA Americas 2nd Place)
In the 2000s, Brazil's national team sometimes underachieved due to horrendous coaching. So it was a solid upgrade in 2010 for Brazil to hire Ruben Magnano, the architect of Argentina teams which won an historic gold at the 2004 Olympics and silver at the 2002 World Championship.

Under Magnano, Brazil advanced to the final 16 at the 2010 World Championship, losing a heartbreaker to Argentina (after nearly knocking off Team USA in group play), and then lost another tight one to their continental rivals in the final of the 2011 FIBA Americas tournament.

With Argentina's golden generation nearing the end of the line, Brazil is poised for a South American changing of the guard in 2012, especially because they have finally corralled their full complement of NBA players - Nene, Anderson Varejao, Leandro Barbosa and Tiago Splitter - onto the national team at the same time. With Nene, Varejao and Splitter, Brazil has one of the best combinations of bigs in the tournament.

And, as seen in Monday's exhibition vs. Team USA, Marcelo Huertas is unquestionably an NBA-caliber point guard. Brazil outscored the Americans by three in the 30 minutes Huertas was on the floor as the maestro of the offense. All in all, Brazil's competitive performance vs. the U.S. on the road in D.C. should have left no doubt that this is a major medal contender in 2012.

4. RUSSIA
(Group B: Qualified via Qualifying Tourney + EuroBasket 3rd)
The Russians are powered by three men: the uber-versatile two-way forward combo of Andrei Kirilenko, coming off a 2011-12 Euroleague MVP season, and Viktor Khryapa, who fills up the box score playing as a Kirilenko Jr., plus coach David Blatt, as good a coach as any in the tournament, probably the best with the X-and-O's.

Russia has been known for its exceptional defense in the Blatt era. They have good team size (only one player under 6-5), and good depth of talent, including six players from this year's outstanding CSKA Moscow team. Also, as opposed to most ballclubs on the list, who are dealing with significant injury absences and/or questions, Russia is in better shape with a mostly healthy roster.

NBA fans will get a look at Alexey Shved, a flashy 6-5 point guard who is likely to join the Timberwolves this season.

5. LITHUANIA
(Group A: Qualified via Qualifying Tourney + EuroBasket 5th)
Lithuania looks to bounce back following its disappointing 2011 EuroBasket, in which they were knocked out in the quarterfinals in front of their boisterous, faithful fan base at home. They'll come to London with two key additions - Linas Kleiza and Jonas Maciulis - who both missed the EuroBasket due to injury.

Kleiza in particular is a game-changer - a FIBA beast who gives Lietuva a player who can create his own offense, whether in the post or via isos. Linas led Lithuania to bronze at the 2010 Worlds, averaging 19 points and seven rebounds per game. With Kleiza back in tow, the green-and-gold's offense looked sharp at the qualifying tourney - definitely expect them to have one of the most potent offenses in London.

Lithuania's frontcourt depth is questionable, especially with the late scratch of Robertas Javtokas due to a stress fracture. Darius Songaila is getting too old, while promising 2011 Raptors lottery pick Jonas Valanciunas is still a bit too green - he's quite a foul magnet in his young career. Sarunas Jasikevicius is nearing the end at age 36, but he can still knock down big shots, such as one which clinched LTU's Olympic bid at the qualifying tourney.

Regardless of whether they medal, Lithuania is sure to retain the title of greatest per-capita basketball nation on the planet, with a population of just over 3 million, easily the smallest in the Olympic field - no one else in our top 7 here is under 40M.

6. ARGENTINA
(Group A: Qualified as FIBA Americas Champion)
Four years ago, Draft Express wrote this in previewing Argentina's chances at the 2008 Beijing Olympics:

"Age is catching up with Argentina, as there are no talented young generations to infuse alongside the veterans. Still featuring an outstanding six-man core with Pablo Prigioni, Manu Ginobili, Carlos Delfino, Andres Nocioni, Luis Scola and Fabricio Oberto, this team severely lacks depth, especially at the point guard position and inside."

Four years later, not much has changed. Argentina is reliant on the same core, except it's now down to five with Oberto retired, and no significant reinforcements. Further, Ginobili and Prigioni are both 35, Nocioni is a shell of himself, Scola (who has been the team's go-to guy ahead of even Manu in recent years) is coming off the worst of his five NBA seasons, and Delfino (who stepped up with 20 ppg at the 2010 Worlds) is struggling to return from a sports-hernia operation in May.

Remember that Argentina barely survived the FIBA Americas tournament last year, at home, or it would have had to go to the FIBA qualifying tournament, which it would have been challenged to survive. Argentina edged Brazil in the final of that FIBA Americas tournament; the Brazilians are adding Nene, Varejao and Barbosa to their team, while the Argentines merely got older.

To be fair, the FIBA Americas had a punishing schedule of 10 games in 13 days; Argentina will get more rest with the every-other-day schedule in London. But, still, it's hard to find objective evidence to support the continued conventional wisdom that Argentina is a stronger medal contender than Brazil.

The Golden Generation of Argentina basketball has created some of the most beautiful FIBA basketball ever seen, but things change, and Argentina's time as a world basketball power appears to be waning. We'll see if Manu & co. can pull one more medal-winning performance out of their Albicelestes.

7. FRANCE
(Group A: Qualified as EuroBasket 2nd Place)
With more NBA players than any country other than the U.S., France certainly doesn't lack for talent, and they put it all together in 2011, winning the EuroBasket silver medal to earn their first Olympic berth since 2000.

However, Joakim Noah - new to the national team in 2011 - was a critical cog in France's run last year, and now he's out due to the severe ankle injury suffered in the NBA Playoffs. Ian Mahinmi, who also played well last year, is also out. Ronny Turiaf and Kevin Seraphin will have to pick up the slack on the interior.

Fortunately for Les Bleus, Tony Parker escaped the Drake-Chris Brown nightclub fight intact enough to remain active for London. He was as good for France last summer as he was for the Spurs in 2011-12, driving the engine of the team's offense. Without him, who knows how far France would've slid in these rankings. As it is, Les Bleus still has a solid core of talent, with the likes of Parker, Nic Batum and Boris Diaw, who hopefully doesn't like Stilton as much as Brie. Don't forget: there's not much separating 3rd from 7th in these rankings. We wouldn't be at all surprised if France played its way to a bronze.

KNOCKOUT ROUND TIER
8. AUSTRALIA
(Group B: Qualified as FIBA Oceania Champion)
9. GREAT BRITAIN
(Group B: Qualified as Host Country)
On August 4, Australia and Great Britain will play not only to determine the unofficial Commonwealth champion, but also likely to determine which nation will finish fourth in Group B, and advance out of group play to be sacrificed to the Americans in the quarterfinals.

Australia, playing in its 13th Olympics (including three 4th-place finishes), certainly has the better pedigree, though they are missing their anchor in Andrew Bogut due to injury. But the Boomers should still be favored to make the quarters thanks to a collection of seasoned veterans from top European clubs, plus Spurs backup Patty Mills running the show from the point. Spurs assistant Brett Brown is the Aussies' coach.

Meanwhile, Great Britain, making its first appearance in Olympic basketball since the 1948 London games, will of course have the home-court advantage, and are led by Chicago Bulls forward Luol Deng. Team G.B. was more competitive than expected at both the 2009 and 2011 EuroBaskets, and perhaps the home crowd can carry them to the quarters.

Great Britain's roster includes recent Blazer signee Joel Freeland and fan favorite Pops Mensah-Bonsu on their solid frontline, but the Brits took a hit by being unable to land the services of either Ben Gordon or Byron Mullins, who both have family ties to England. GB is severely lacking in the backcourt, a main reason why we ultimately favor the Aussies.

Also note that the Brits have a forward named Andrew Sullivan, but it's not this guy, and their coach is named Chris Finch, but it's (sadly) not this guy.

10. NIGERIA
(Group A: Qualified via Qualifying Tourney + Afrobasket 3rd)
We are certainly eating crow after we flippantly wrote this last fall in ranking Nigeria 11th out the 12 teams in FIBA qualifying tournament: "If Nigeria can get Hakeem Olajuwon circa 1994-95 to play, they might have a chance to grab a qualifying spot. Might."

As it turned out, all Nigeria needed were the additions of Ike Diogu and Al-Farouq Aminu, who transformed the overhauled national team (Nigeria had nine new players this year), and carried "D'Tigers" to the final Olympic bid.

Truth be told, Nigeria has little chance of making it into the knockout round, but we'll give them the benefit of the doubt this time around, as they are a much-improved side loaded with tall, athletic rebounders, and certainly have the friskiness to pull off an upset or two.

ENJOY THE FORTNIGHT TIER
11. CHINA
(Group B: Qualified as FIBA Asia Champion)
It's the harsh reality of the first post-Yao Olympics for Team China. After two straight trips to the Olympic quarterfinals on Yao's broad shoulders, it's unlikely that Yi Jianlian can carry China out of group play again.

We're happy to note that The Dodger, Wang Zhizhi, will be back for his fourth Olympic Games, 16 years after making his debut in Atlanta.

12. TUNISIA
(Group A: Qualified as Afrobasket Champion)
The Tunisians should be thrilled just to be in London, as it was a monumental accomplishment to earn their first Olympic basketball bid by knocking off African power Angola - a nation which had won six consecutive Afrobaskets, and 10 of the last 11 dating back to 1989 - in the 2011 Afrobasket final.
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Não sabia se a 3º colocação do Brasil no ranking era previsão ou ordem alfabética... mas como as outras seleções não estão em ordem, eles consideram o Brasil a terceira força mesmo... é isso ae!!

Vamos brigar por medalha. Imagino que o jogo das quartas será decisivo... se passar das quartas, ouso dizer final...
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Peixe2k3 escreveu:Não sabia se a 3º colocação do Brasil no ranking era previsão ou ordem alfabética... mas como as outras seleções não estão em ordem, eles consideram o Brasil a terceira força mesmo... é isso ae!!

Vamos brigar por medalha. Imagino que o jogo das quartas será decisivo... se passar das quartas, ouso dizer final...
Sim, a ordem é de preferencia apesar de achgarem que o grup de 3-7 bem proximo.
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Pra quem tinha raiva do Nenê...
Bomba na seleção brasileira feminina de basquete. A ala Iziane (foto) acaba de ser cortada da equipe que disputará as Olimpíadas a partir da próxima semana. O time está concentrado na França, onde disputa torneio amistoso a partir desta sexta-feira, e o anúncio oficial virá nas próximas horas.

O motivo ainda não é confirmado, mas de acordo com as fontes que ouvi foi indisciplina (mais uma) da atleta. Por volta das 4h30 (de Brasília, 9h30 da França) desta sexta-feira a Confederação Brasileira enviará um comunicado à imprensa informando os motivos que levaram a entidade a tomar esta decisão.

Nesta sexta-feira, a partir das 14h30 de Brasília, a seleção faz um amistoso na França, e certamente o clima não será dos mais leves. Ainda não se sabe quem será a substituta de Iziane na seleção.

A não ser que haja alguma mudança extrema, a notícia é essa. Iziane está fora.
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Essa dai ja vai tarde, não devia nem ter sido convocada.
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A Hortência demitiu quantos técnicos em defesa da Iziane?
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ocubo escreveu:A Hortência demitiu quantos técnicos em defesa da Iziane?
Não acompanho muito basquete feminino, mas pelo que sei o Bassul por causa da Iziane, um espanhol que ninguém sabe da onde veio e não deu em nada e o Enio Vecchi por mal resultados nos PAN de Guadalajara.
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Matheusandrade escreveu:
ocubo escreveu:A Hortência demitiu quantos técnicos em defesa da Iziane?
Não acompanho muito basquete feminino, mas pelo que sei o Bassul por causa da Iziane, um espanhol que ninguém sabe da onde veio e não deu em nada e o Enio Vecchi por mal resultados nos PAN de Guadalajara.
Bassul estava fazendo um bom trabalho.
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ocubo escreveu:
Matheusandrade escreveu:
ocubo escreveu:A Hortência demitiu quantos técnicos em defesa da Iziane?
Não acompanho muito basquete feminino, mas pelo que sei o Bassul por causa da Iziane, um espanhol que ninguém sabe da onde veio e não deu em nada e o Enio Vecchi por mal resultados nos PAN de Guadalajara.
Bassul estava fazendo um bom trabalho.
Sim, mas brigou com a Iziane e rodou. Foda, o basquete feminino vinha bem até uns anos atrás.
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no site do Terra disse que foi namorado no quarto,

pode isso arnaldo?

cortar por causa disso? :005:

pior que esgotou o prazo para fechar a lista, brasil que no feminino tá um verdadeiro saco de pancadas vai ter que jogar com 11 :roll:

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Matheusandrade escreveu:
ocubo escreveu:A Hortência demitiu quantos técnicos em defesa da Iziane?
Não acompanho muito basquete feminino, mas pelo que sei o Bassul por causa da Iziane, um espanhol que ninguém sabe da onde veio e não deu em nada e o Enio Vecchi por mal resultados nos PAN de Guadalajara.
Isso pq não acompanha muito... Citou 3!

Quem acompanha aí? Quantos foram? :valca:
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Like, I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
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Esse Tyson Chandler é muito tosco. Fosse no Brasil, não teria nenhum amigo na escola.
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Acho que teremos Marquinhos amanhã!!
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Gustavo Ganso escreveu:Acho que teremos Marquinhos amanhã!!
:D
Puts, ótima notícia! Voltando na hora certa. o Alex disse que a seleção tá 70% do que pode, dependendo de como será a volta do Marquinhos + os últimos jogos preparatórios temos chances de chegar nas Olimpíadas quase 100%.

E a Argentina hoje, ein? Que vareio da Espanha no começo, deu dó. No fim (com as presepadas do Ibaka) a Argentina encostou no jogo mas não deu. De toda forma, a Argentina é sempre perigosa, se bobear eles encostam no placar com uma facilidade impressionante.
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Re: TO Basquete Londres 2012 - FRA x BRA 14:30 ESPNBR sábado

Mellini escreveu:E a Argentina hoje, ein? Que vareio da Espanha no começo, deu dó. No fim (com as presepadas do Ibaka) a Argentina encostou no jogo mas não deu. De toda forma, a Argentina é sempre perigosa, se bobear eles encostam no placar com uma facilidade impressionante.
Pois é, impressionante como o jogo ilustrou bem tanto como os argentinos estão longe fps times tops no memento e como eles ainda são perigosos.
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